Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Graeme Jorgensen's avatar

Well done, Larry, this discussion makes for very interesting and informative reading. Your brief observations concerning the various aspects to be considered, are well-reasoned.

For me, there is one major glitch, and that concerns your notion of a "unidirectional grid". I think that in claiming that this term is representative of a synchronous base load electricity system, is a gross misrepresentation of the truth. What you describe as being a unidirectional system can really only be applied to something like a model train set, or a miner's helmet lamp powered by a pocket battery.

A typical grid system comprises of multiple generators, each sited at strategic points around the distributed grid system, close to the main consumer or load centres. In this multi-directional system, each generator runs in sync with the master generator/s (ie, a master-slave arrangement), and every connected consumer is supplied with synchronous energy. Most importantly, the synchronous state is created and sustained by large synchronous generators, and these machines maintain tight control through the inherent benefit of the physical inertia that they impart.

Most importantly, the synchronous state includes a tightly controlled frequency, together with synchronised waveforms for all other essential elements of the system (including voltage, current, and reactive power, and aspects such as phase angle, phase rotation and so on. This system is designed to accommodate residential, commercial and large industrial loads (the latter featuring large three-phase motors and other heavy machinery), everything that is needed to sustain a prosperous nation.

Conversely, your so-called bi-directional renewables grid is a completely unsynchronised system which is utterly incapable of providing the same services. It is an asynchronous system. Yes there are pieces of technology which need to be added to help asynchronous generators to connect to a system of their own, including invertors and other devices, but none of these devices are ever going to be capable of creating and sustaining inertia, and therefore can never exert the essential control which is necessary to assure grid stability.

The characteristics of various and disparate asynchronous inputs to a system are each unique. They are not in sync with any other device and, therefore, the resultant input to the system is at best disruptive of all other inputs and outputs.

If there is insufficient synchronous inertia to enforce their compliance with the pre-existing grid conditions, grid instability ensues. The consequence is that one protective metering device after another will detect the faults, and then initiate a cascading sequence of trips, ultimately shutting down the entire system (especially the generators).

It is not synchronous generators that cause system failures, it is the faults injected into the transmission system by asynchronous machines, at various points in that system, that ultimately cause the system to shut down.

Oh but technology will fix the problem, some proponents will have us believe. Well, I'm sorry, that grid-scale technology does not yet exist. Some issues can be solved by technology, but not grid scale inertia (for one).

The bottom line: How many people can afford to pay for the impossible dream of free energy?

Expand full comment
Andrew Davidson's avatar

How long before the engineers have to come to the rescue of the masses by removing the imbeciles by force?

Expand full comment
31 more comments...

No posts